Why should I buy gold for fun? | Jon Erickson posted on the topic | LinkedIn (2024)

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With Costco selling gold bars that the public can buy and reportedly earning $200 million in revenue a month, it got me thinking should I buy a gold bar for fun?Being a financial advisor, I can’t use myself as an example of whether to do something or not, but I thought it would be interesting to show the process I went through thinking about this.First, I had to figure out could I handle the loss of liquidity.No matter how much my family loads up the Costco cart at the end of line, I can’t whip out my gold bar to pay for it. I had to figure out what I was losing to buy the gold bar.Gold is generally priced on something called the gold spot price which is an averaging of the different markets around the world such as COMEX, NYMEX, CME.But when I buy gold, I am not getting the spot price, I am getting a more expensive price to buy the gold and it looks like I might be paying 2% or more to buy the Costco gold.Good thing I get money back from Costco on purchases, I am surprised they aren’t limiting that on this. Ok, I have my gold bar.How am I going to store it?Do I now need to own a safe?Will my wife even let me put a safe in the house and is it any fun to have gold in a safe? What about selling time, how much of a hassle is this going to be.Remember that spot price, gold is priced on.Well, you apparently can’t just walk into a business and demand that as cash.In fact on the backend, it appears the losses can be significant to sell this back based on the current spot prices.You know that store in town that says coins that have been around forever that you can’t figure out how they stay in business?This is one of the ways they do it.It pays to look at bids because selling it back can have offers of 90% to 98% of spot value or much lower such as 75%.So, let’s assume I can sell my gold for 95% of spot value. Simplistically I am taking $100, losing an upfront amount such as 2% and losing a back-end amount such as 5%.I have the hassle of storing gold, and no matter what video games tell me, it doesn’t appear I can spend it at my local merchant in the apocalypse.The returns here then really matter, if gold is up 10% in a year and as I keep it, it grows at 10% a year this might be worth it.But I would suggest you need to have a reason or process for why you are doing this. That doesn’t mean I may not purchase an ounce to try it.I tend to work with retirees and soon to be retirees and one thing I mention to them, is how much of a hassle will this be for your kids someday if you go down this road?

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